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FIBO 2013-An Interesting Dialog.

Vito LaSorella Jr.
I have always been a supporter of equality for all. I have always felt that all people should be able to enjoy the paradise we call Cherry Grove . A place a lot of us think of as home. 
I have always appreciated the amazing diversity that is FIBO
I am sad to say I no longer appreciate this event. 
My very good friend Michael Davenport was punched in the face last night at Cherry Grove Pizza so hard that he lost a tooth. Now most of you know Michael , you know how good and kind he is , you also know that he is not by any means a physical threat to anyone. 
But individuals from this event thought otherwise . 
This was not the only incident I was told about that took place last night , this one just happened to involve someone whom I KNOW couldn't hurt a fly. This event is too large for Cherry Grove . The crowd that amasses here every year grows bigger and bigger. Out of any celebrated weekend ,this one is the largest and continues to grow. When the sun goes down the boardwalks out side our homes become staging areas for people who are drunk and want to fight with their friends or just carry on in general as if its a city street corner ..... IT IS NOT. 
I am outraged that one of our own was beaten bloody by people attending this event. 

I know that this event is a money maker for our business community and I don't expect anything to change as a result of my coming on this page and posting this comment. 
I just wanted everyone here to know how I felt about what happened to my friend Michael Davenport ..... One of our own.
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Like ·  · Follow Post · August 11 at 4:23pm via mobile
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Amy Abravanel And Vito LaSorella Jr., does this event really help our businesses? I've always heard that the event planners bring their own food and drink, attempt to use our businesses' facilitlies, and spend virtually nothing in the community.
August 11 at 4:50pm · Like · 7
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Mike Fisher you should come to the next community association meeting and bring up that question
August 11 at 4:53pm · Like · 6
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Annie Silver I've heard exactly the same thing as Amy, over and over again, year after year!
August 11 at 5:04pm · Like · 3
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Joe Ray END THE BLACK OUT.
August 11 at 5:12pm via mobile · Like · 5
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I am in virtual tears today because of what happened yesterday .
I also know about several fights and scuffles that took place on the beach during the day. 
The idea of the event is wonderful , the reality is something different. And as always the good will suffer because of the bad . 

Did it get shut down because of too much trouble ? 
I didn't see any FIBO signs or tents on the beach. I always remember it being a 3 day event .
August 11 at 5:13pm via mobile · Like
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Annie Silver Do they need a permit or something to have their event? Because, if so, then it will be easy not to ever issue another one. Let them go to some other beach!
August 11 at 5:18pm · Like · 4
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Joe Ray I hope it did get shut down. It should never take place again.
August 11 at 5:27pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Michael Scarpa Burnett THe event should be brought up at the community meeting but, like the spraying of the mosquitos, nothing will happen.. seems the members community only cares about the Community House and not the people actually living it in the community.. Very sad. Let the event move to the Pines.
August 11 at 5:35pm · Like · 5
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Joe Ray That will NEVER happen. Thank God.
August 11 at 5:36pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Michael Scarpa Burnett exactly. Cherry Grove puts up with CRAP the Pines won't very sad
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Joe Ray Maybe if the"powers that be" aka businesses would stop "whoring out" such a wonderful place this kind of shit, including the 2:30 AM boat, wouldn't happen.
August 11 at 5:39pm via mobile · Like · 3
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Joe Ray I love Cherry Grove and this is heartbreaking.
August 11 at 5:40pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Vito LaSorella Jr. It's ironic that on the same day we celebrate our history , we also have something that's supposed to be a positive thing becomes a nightmare. 
I also agree that if Cherry Grove is the only community that could not get its crap together to simply spray some Mosquitos , then they certainly aren't up to facing any kind of serious issues beyond Arts & Crafts . 

I'm sorry , I don't mean to offend anyone. I am just burning mad about Michael being punched.
August 11 at 5:41pm via mobile · Like · 4
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Joe Ray as you should be, Vito.
August 11 at 5:42pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Could someone please re share my post on Sandy vs. Cherry Grove page ? 
I can't seem to do it with my I-phone , and copie and paste only appears on my screen when I'm not trying to do that.
August 11 at 5:47pm via mobile · Like
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Joe Ray and when I refer to the businesses whoring out Cherry Grove the biggest offender is SAYVILLE FERRY.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. @ Joe : EVERYONE SHOULD BE !
This guy cooks and delivers our food. He is known to almost all. 
He is one of the nicest guys and I think of him as Cherry Grove Family.
August 11 at 5:51pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Flaming Adam It's not a money maker... They bring their own food, and booze and 7 of them will share chicken fingers at cherries and not tip.
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Annie Silver Time to make sure they do not come back! What I don't understand is why that guy who hit Michael wasn't arrested. There have to have been cops all over the place, it was such a big event.
August 11 at 6:01pm · Like · 1
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Vito LaSorella Jr. That's right , I was also told that no arrests were made and his fight wasn't the only fight of the day or evening. 

But again , NOTHING will change ,
This group will be back next year right on schedule . 
It's a fact . 
Prove me wrong .
August 11 at 6:05pm via mobile · Like
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Annie Silver Who issues the permits???????
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Michael Scarpa Burnett I heard if you want to get married on the beach you have to get a permission from the COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION President and the board so maybe the same folks who knows .. Nothing is transparent here in the Grove. Vito is right they will be back next year.
August 11 at 6:08pm · Like · 2
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Don't know who issues it but doesn't that stuff usually happen in the dead of night during a time when no one who's really affected by it can be there to voice opposition ?
August 11 at 6:10pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Annie Silver Honestly, why would anyone in the Community or on any board want these troublemakers in our midst? It's not like anyone makes a dime off of them, anyway.
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Janice Pullicino I'm sorry to hear about your friend and the violence. I have always held the (not always popular) opinion that cherry grove should be kept a lot more exclusive, not rent or sell houses to other than gay families, etc. Promote heavily lesbian and gay only. There's this other really great place for straight people to go and it's called the whole entire rest of the world. Can't we just have this one tiny stretch of beach for ourselves? Being straight-friendly gets people hurt, sadly there's violence like this every year, and most who day trip come to gawk and stare. Hasn't everyone had enough of it?
August 11 at 7:04pm via mobile · Like · 6
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Annie Silver Janice, there are exceptions (straight people who've been here for generations and are part of the community), but I really do agree with pretty much everything you said. You're not kidding: "There's this other really great place for straight people to go and it's called the whole entire rest of the world." They want what we've got, but many times, they come in with their straight privilege and think they can run the place, ruining it in the process. Add way too much drinking and the gawking element, and it becomes really creepy. I remember Amy and me hanging out at Cherry's a number of years ago and some guy came over and tried to pick the two of us up! Like we were there for his entertainment !!!! Needless to say, we told him off, and not in a nice way.
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Janice Pullicino Annie: yeah the entitlement thing with straight men is just disgusting and rude. And yes of course I know there are wonderful people who are part of the community and total exceptions, but I was going more for broad strokes. 
August 11 at 7:31pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I hear what everyone is saying. 
I want to point out that every big weekend out here always attracts a margin of a bad element . 
FIBO is different . It is an enormous crowd . 
Bag checks are set up. 
The intention is to stay till the bitter end. 
It's too much. 
Again people need to realize what has happened here. 
A member of our community , that deserves our protection was brutally assaulted by individuals that were here because of this event. If you are willing to attack a working person in a business environment you demonstrate a lack of self control and a lack of basic human respect. You will attack anyone for anything. 
Cherry Grove is not for a person(s)
of this mentality . Period !
August 11 at 8:05pm via mobile · Like · 6
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John Langan We didn't even come out this weekend because of this.
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Frank Borsas The town of Brookhaven issues the permits. It's a public beach. The Community Assn does not control this event.
August 11 at 9:56pm via mobile · Like
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Vito LaSorella Jr. My house guest and I have been talking about this all night and the bottom line is our little town can't accommodate that many people with our 3 little rinky dink bar & grills . Why not have it in a bigger place it's becoming dangerous to host this event . 
This was a warning sign. One day things could get out of control ,then what ? Who's gonna be around to stop people from getting hurt . 

Again : PROVE ME WRONG .
August 11 at 10:38pm via mobile · Like · 5
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Ruth Kossoff Poor Michael. Yes. He's a sweetie.
August 12 at 7:35am via mobile · Like · 1
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Robin Byrd I am so sorry to hear this about Michael he's sweetheart! meanwhile I almost got a ticket for $1,000 walking out on my beach side!
August 12 at 8:01am via mobile · Like · 2
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Joe Centrone Jr. I HATE this event ! Had the misfortune of being at the Grove one weekend during FIBO.. It was the worst weekend ever spent there...The beach is a disaster with litter when its over.. and the crowd way to large.. and way to out of control... I have always wondered why the Grove community continues to support this event....
August 12 at 8:17am · Like · 1
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Perhaps this event should be re- located to Robert Moses or Smiths Point. It can still be called FIBO but when the sun goes down there will be no large crowds of people with no cash to spend descending on our community determined to stay until the last ferry ( which by the way had to be 3 boats in order to get everyone off. ) 
At Smiths Point & Robert Moses , there are public showers & Rest Rooms . There is more police presents. There are parking lots and no Ferry boats required to get there. 
This just makes more sense . 
I would like this event moved to another location before another one of our's gets hurt or worse killed. 
I do not attend community meetings , I'm not an official member. But maybe it's time.
August 12 at 9:14am via mobile · Like · 3
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Joe Centrone Jr. If anyone is interested in contacting the FIBO even organizer for any reason... to leave comments, etc.. here is their address 
info@fireislandblackout.com
August 12 at 9:34am · Like
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Gregory Mcmullen Really!? We've had trouble with straight, white Long Islanders for years and we still have the Miss Fire Island Contest. One incident... Really?!
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Jack Quinn Many people come here for years and develop an attachment to "our" beach and think our "town leaders" should do something..., and if they're not doing something it "must" be because they are corrupted by the money.

I think it bears repeating that Cherry Grove is an unincorporated hamlet within the town of Brookhaven in the county of Suffolk sitting entirely within a federal National Seashore Park. Its an unusual jurisdictional situation. 

The CG Community Association has no power other than to advise other entities on what it feels is best on our collective behalf. CG has no police force (unlike Ocean Beach, our FI neighbor to the west), we rely on federal park rangers and Suffolk county cops. The beach is a National Park. Anyone is entitled to use it. 

I also wish FIBO would relocate and try to avoid it every year, but I hold the event organizers solely responsible for it, not the Community Association. But the event organizers are outsiders and there is no one to hold accountable. I would suggest the community association lobby Brookhaven and national park representatives that next years event be required to post a substantial bond for damage and cleanup that would be forfeited if it is needed.
August 12 at 10:23am via mobile · Like · 8
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Emma McGrattan According to their website the final day of the event moved to The Pines. Any news from The Pines?
August 12 at 10:24am · Like
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Vito LaSorella Jr. An unusual jurisdiction deserves better then what we got this weekend. Michael Davenport deserves better then what he got this weekend. I have pointed out already that all the events that take place come with a certain amount of trouble. 
The difference here is the size of the crowd, and the length of time the crowd stays in our community after the sun goes down and your no longer on the beach. 
You can't keep people off the beach , but does that also extend to the boardwalks in front of our homes? No one is maintaining the front of our homes but us. 

I've now come back to my original thought that said :
NOTHING WILL CHANGE HERE .
This whole conversation is a waste.

I know I will be able to look my friend in the eye.
August 12 at 10:41am via mobile · Like
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Vito LaSorella Jr. PROVE ME WRONG !
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Mike Fisher so this is the deal, the FIBO organization has to apply for a permit to hold the event in cherry grove. All the other communities have refused this event due to its size.
August 12 at 10:42am · Like · 2
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Mike Fisher if you want to prevent the event from happening call the permit department at the town of brook haven and express your concerns and ask when the next permit will be in for review.
August 12 at 10:43am · Like · 6
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Here's some more irony .
Most of Cherry Grove WANTS spraying for Mosquitos . A vote is held the majority is crystal clear 
Result : Only community on Fire Island NOT sprayed..............FAST FOWARD ................community holds vote , expresses a desire to not hold FIBO in Cherry Grove next season .
Result : Event takes place as usual and is even more out of control. 

Yes , it is an unusual jurisdiction
August 12 at 10:56am via mobile · Like · 2
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Jack Quinn Vito - please run for the position of Mayor of Cherry Grove, I'd vote for you! Except the office does not exist! We are part of the Town of Brookhaven. That is where your complaints should be directed. Was there a vote to express the intent to Brookhaven to ban FIBO? I vote to put you in charge of the lobbying effort.
August 12 at 1:32pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Annie Silver Maybe a petition would be a place to start. I'd sign it in a heartbeat. But the main thing is to get the homeowners and businesses involved and signing. We must not let these people trash our paradise ever again!
August 12 at 1:49pm via mobile · Like · 4
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Vito LaSorella Jr. @ Jack Quinn : can't really tell if your being sarcastic or not but I will just say I'm not interested in running for any office in Cherry Grove and I have not directed my anger at what happened towards the Cherry Grove Association. By comparing the mosquito issue to this unfortunate event , I am simply calling it like I see it . That's me , I tell it like it is , not like it should be.
I've also stated that I don't mean to offend anyone , but to say that the Cherry Grove association is not in part responsible for this event is just not true. The community's consent must be needed. The community has a voice . 
This event is no longer wanted here . It is not an appropriate location. I don't know if the community has ever been given the option to voice their concerns about it. 
There is never any problem with asking for donations for this cause or that cause . 

Again , I have not accused anybody of anything other then where the fingers need to be pointed. 

And one more thing , no one here needs to answer to me for anything ......Answer to Michael Davenport the next time he comes running up your walk way with your food.
August 12 at 3:08pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Jack Quinn No sarcasm intended but you stated you know this event is a moneymaker for our local businesses (and I questioned that because I don't see who is profiting). I've never liked this event because it always has ugly behavior. I remember a few years after it started it was reminiscent of the old commercial in the 70's of an old American Indian looking over a polluted stream with a tear running down his cheek, to see the trash left on the beach.
Then you said permission is granted in the dead of night when no one's looking. Who gave permission for this? Your insinuation is that it was the people who are on the boards of the Arts Project and The Community House. I just think that's misdirected. Start calling the national seashore and the town of Brookhaven. Go to the next Community Association meeting and raise it as an issue. I'd like answers too!
August 12 at 3:52pm via mobile · Like · 4
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Vito LaSorella Jr. ok , I get where your coming from. 
In all fairness I will say that my comment on the business making money on this event was an assumption on my part . I never really thought the group was bringing in all its own food and beverage. 
I didn't want to be seen as trying to affect people's pockets . To find out that the business community isn't crazy about this event either only makes me dislike the event even more. As for permits being granted for things in the dead of night , I would be lying if I said that it wasn't the first time that I've heard that this is how some things are done. Do I know for a fact ?
No , I can't say I do, 
What I do know for a fact is that this FIBO should be the last FIBO in Cherry Grove.

P.S. I never meant to attack anyone personally.
August 12 at 4:45pm via mobile · Like · 4
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Kathy Howe I am in total agreement that we stand up for what we believe is right ... CG should not be expected to carry an event of this size and magnitude as the small, peaceful community that we treasure and adore ... we all need to stand up and fight this before next year ... what is the plan? Do we bring this up at the next CA meeting (which is a month away), start a petition, contact Brookhaven permits, shall we form a little committee of our own to get this underway sooner with a few of us? I'm in for whatever we need to do ... the businesses in this town can't make much on this event, as most everything is carried over. The only business I see that must make a good buck is Sayville Ferry, but they don't have to deal with the chaos all day/night in the town. We need to protect our little slice of heaven now ... who's in to meeting in the next week or two to work on a plan??? Maybe we can do this and a defibulator fundraising plan at the same time?? Vito, Jack, Annie, shall we start with us four? What are your thoughts, please?
August 12 at 6:52pm · Like · 3
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Kathy Howe Anyone else, please feel free to dialogue w/us here!!
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Annie Silver Kathy, we're not back on Island until next week, but I'd love to get something started. I'm not a homeowner, but I love CG as if I were.
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Sant Angelo i saw alot of fights on miss fire island can we ban that event too?
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Annie Silver Sant, I think FIBO is a much bigger problem. It's more about the number of people involved and the disaster they leave behind. We can't work to ban everything. Besides, from what I've seen, the people who come over for Miss Fire Island actually support the businesses. In a perfect world, we wouldn't need outside people to help support our community, but just in the past year, the businesses have been hurt by Sandy and way too many rainy weekends.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I will attend the next meeting.
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Kathleen O'Donnell I am just a day tripper. The daytime was fine. But I have never seen so much trash left behind on the beach. I walked down at night to see stars and I was afraid to take off my shoes because of all the garbage. When I got past all of the people making out in the sand without falling on them, I saw garbage going into the ocean as the tide took it. There were people urinating in dark corners (usually the entrance gate to a home). People just cut the ferry line and pushed and shoved their way on. I think more security would be a fantastic idea if this event is held again. Police officers patrolling the boardwalks, the beach, and the ferry dock, rather than just the main intersection. I realize I don't live there so feel free to tell me I have no idea what I am talking about.
August 12 at 8:12pm · Like · 1
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Vito LaSorella Jr. You know exactly what your talking about. 
The event must end.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Who do I need to see this week to pay my dues and join the association ? After I've done that I will attend the next meeting and we should ask to be heard on this issue . 
I also want to make my original point which is that one of our own got attacked and punched in the face by people who were here for this event. It's unacceptable . It needs to be relocated .
August 12 at 9:59pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Sybil Bruncheon Again, here's the link to FIBO where people can contact the promoters of this event directly with their comments about this past weekend. https://www.fireislandblackout.com/2011/

Fire Island Black Out
www.fireislandblackout.com
August 12 at 11:36pm · Like
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Sybil Bruncheon It's really quite amazing to read the "Faqs" page on the FIBO site, especially the "rules" that visitors are encouraged to follow. Here's the link to it specifically.https://www.fireislandblackout.com/2011/faqs The promoters should be shown just exactly how their guests treated the Grove, from the trashed beaches, to the invaded walks and homes, to the assaulted residents.... FIBO? You FAILED....miserably!

FAQs | Fire Island Black Out
www.fireislandblackout.com
Q: WHERE IS FIBO?A: FIBO is held on Fire Island, New York, which is one of the l...See More
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Barb Morrison there was a giant fight right outside my house on surf and lewis saturday night (sunday morning 4:30am) complete with punching, scuffling, someone getting thrown off the boardwalk, yelling etc. i was really worried someone was going to get killed. it got THAT heated. I'm from brooklyn where i hear gunshots regularly and am no stranger to violence and i have to say this fight SCARED me. i realize there is a certain amount of partying that goes on here but I'm one of the people that comes to cherry grove to be quiet, relax, read, cook, meditate, swim and sleep.
August 13 at 2:11am · Like · 3
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Mike Fisher it is simple...if they are denied a permit they cannot have the event...call Brookhaven.
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Chick Robb You must give the town board some information and pictures to show the impact on the community and park lands, also having a sign petetion from the home owners and bussiness would help, since they have had a permit for some time!
August 13 at 8:23am · Like
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I believe that it would be useless to point out anything to the promoters of FIBO . No matter what the community expresses , it will fall on deaf ears. 
I believe we should band together as a community present our request to our town leaders along with any photos or testimony regarding the event and let them present this to the powers in Brookhaven who have the authority to deny a permit for this event. 
When the promotors apply for a renewal they can be told and shown why they are being denied.
August 13 at 9:15am via mobile · Like · 4
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Annie Silver I agree with Vito. That makes a lot of sense.
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Gaston Alonso Greg- thank you for pointing out the obvious- if the real issue here is our town's ability to host large events, then every large event (including Miss Fire Island, which as you point out attracts large unruly crowds notorious for causing trouble) needs to be part of the conversation. Otherwise, well, enough said.....
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Charity Charles I was nearly accosted on my way home from Oceanaires Sat. night by the firehouse...I was in drag and a gang of drunks were shouting and arguing and made mean gestures at me. Scary!
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Vito LaSorella Jr. @ Gaston : The only difference between FIBO and every other event is the size of the crowd. No matter what there will ALWAYS be trouble makers , but every other event is contained. Once the daytime event is over , it's basically OVER . There are not huge crowds of people moving into the neighborhood. To be honest with you I thought I would be alone in my anger towards what happened . I'm surprised by the reaction the original post has generated. I guess the night was bad for a lot of us. But it was worse for Michael Davenport , don't you agree ?
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Gaston Alonso Michael is a friend and what happened to him and Frank is deplorable. And you should not question my feelings for my friends. That said, there is lots more going on in the thread than sympathy for them. In the 7 years I've been in the Grove, I've seen the kind of behavior described above be associated with many large events- that spill away from the middle of town and last late into the night. To deny this and to not broaden the conversation to include all large events, speaks volumes.
August 13 at 10:31am via mobile · Like · 3
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Did not in any way mean to question you about our friend. And I do see your point when it comes to to other events. You are correct . This event is too large.
August 13 at 10:35am · Like
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Joe Centrone Jr. The other large events, although rowdy at times are NOTHING Like this event.. NOTHING.... I think it is important that it be known that this is not a race issue as someone mentioned it may be in the above thread.... it's about the SIZE of the crowd, the disaster they leave the beach, the areas they use as toilets, and yes of course the chaos on the boardwalks at night.... I am not a resident, but have been there for the duration of this event while staying at the Grove for a few days... seriously we did not leave our house because of the Chaos... the Grove is not the place for this event.... it's obvious....
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Gaston Alonso I am clearly in the minority - in more ways than one - in our "community." Those of us who are residents know that there are many events held in town that routinely lead to fights and violence and that create an unsafe atmosphere throughout the Grove. To deny or ignore this, again, speaks volumes. My invitation to broaden the conversation stands... though it's clear that too much that is unspoken stands in the way of that occurring. A sad thing to witness.
August 13 at 10:53am via mobile · Like · 4
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Vito LaSorella Jr. @ Gaston : your opinion is valid and welcomed in this conversation.
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Barbara Ann Levy one could also say the same about The Pines Party
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Barbara Ann Levy Bad for the beaches, towns, too much traffic, noise etc..
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Vito LaSorella Jr. No I don't think it's the same. Pines party is disruptive yes, BUT it is contained to one area . It starts and it ends. People do not park themselves on your lawn. The huge crowd goes home and does not move into the residential area with no place to go once the dance is over.
August 13 at 11:03am · Like
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Barbara Ann Levy Your point is well taken Vito. Maybe the community could discuss this with FIBO so that the structure is more like The Pines Party.
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Mike Fisher pines party is a fund raiser for the community....how much does FIBO give Cherry Grove?
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Barbara Ann Levy Another point well taken. Another point to be brought to FIBO. Clean up costs etc...
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Mike Fisher and the host hotel is a marriot off island....
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Vito LaSorella Jr. FIBO must END in Cherry Grove.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Now I got to go to work folks , have to start saving for next summer.
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Jim Kelly-Evans I agree with Gaston: " if the real issue here is our town's ability to host large events, then every large event (including Miss Fire Island, which as you point out attracts large unruly crowds notorious for causing trouble) needs to be part of the conversation. "
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Joe Centrone Jr. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE THE PINES PARTY... We respect our beach and the community...
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Gaston Alonso I don't need my voice validated -.I know it is, but thanks for the gesture. For the last time, the unwillingness of so many to address the troubles associated with other everts including Miss Fire Island weekend speaks volumes. And, I really worry if the Grove is going to embrace a definition of community that calculates who is welcomes based on how much people contribute financially. In this case, as with much in life, I am proud to be in the minority of this thread and, as it appears, of what some want to turn our town into.
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Joe Ray The Pines Party absolutely cannot be compared to this. The notion alone is ABSURD.
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Mike Fisher so is the comparison of Miss Fire Island to FIBO....
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Michael McPherson I am sorry that Michael was attacked but I hope and presume reported it to the police. I wonder what follow up, if any, was done.
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Barbara Ann Levy Not it's not absurd Ray. This is a large group of gay men and lesbians that come from the city to get away just like the men at the Pines Party. It is not a benefit so that is one way it is different. I wonder how everyone would feel if it brought 150,000 fo rthe community house? Or the beautification of CG? Would that make a difference?
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Barbara Ann Levy First of all Cherry Grove is not an entity. It needs to incorporate to manage all of this. Without political power I am not sure you can do anything about this stuff.
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Barbara Ann Levy You could then determine how many people would be able to be on the beach etc..
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Mike Fisher May I suggest someone start a petition but make sure you get home owners signatures and present it to the cgcai and to the town of Brookhaven
If the permit is denied the event cannot take place
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Barbara Ann Levy You need to have a dialogue with members of FIBO. This conversation reminds me of an alcoholic family talking about the unruly alcoholic. You need to have a dialogue with the organizers.
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Barbara Ann Levy Set limits and let them know how you feel.
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Ariel Sinclair Miss Fire Island does not have port a pottys that stay on the island 3 days after the event
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Barbara Ann Levy The petition is harsh.
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Gaston Alonso Why not work with all relevant parties to insure that all large events turn out well? Why boot this particular event off the island? The prospect of a majority white town petitioning to cancel an event benefitting community groups serving Black gays and lesbians is shameful!!!
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Joe Ray Yes Barbara, it is different. Pines Party weekend consists of people renting houses, supporting the businesses, and going to a designated event. Black Out consists of people milling about, disrupting the boardwalks, pissing and shitting everywhere, literally smoking crack in groups right by the Sand Castle, should I continue? I think I've made my point but I can go on if needed.
The comparison is a load of crap.
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Barbara Ann Levy No it's not a load of crap at all. I was a business owner out there and have seen behavior on the part of Cherry Grove residents that have been shameful as well in drunken and unclothed states on the boards in front of my house. Members have beatne their lovers in front of my house. I could go on. I found human shit on my home's lawn. Members of the community have been shameful and as shameful as members of this group that you describe. Women have been raped in the Grove. Gay men have hung themselves in the grove because of overdoses of illegal drugs. I could go on but I do believe the adult and respectful way to go about this problem is through diallogue. Members of FIBO are varied. There are professionals in that group who are outstanding citizens in various fields. I would be careful to globalize this. Not every member of FIBO is violent or shits on a lawn. To color the whole group in this way is in fact racist.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Wow - kettles calling the pot black! And there's no meth at the pines party, or coke or k and weed. And the African American women I saw leaving Cherry Grove Monday am (many of them) certainly didn't sleep in someone's yard and they even ate at Floyd's. Thanks for some rational thoughts, Barbara.
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Thomas Simmons At the risk of appearing critical - and I am really not trying to do that - there appears to be a pattern here, whether it is with the mosquitoes or the parties (And, having lived most of my life on islands, and having administered government planning agencies, it is a pattern I often see...) 

And this is the pattern: prior to the event, there is some quiet grumbling, but no action; then the 'event' occurs, and everyone explodes in demanding change AFTER THE FACT. People discuss and complain and froth and argue - until the next Crisis du jour raises its head, and everyone is off to close that barn door (after that horse is out). It's a common pattern when there so few people trying to deal with so many issues and make a living in a few short months.

Then winter comes, and everyone takes a breather - and NOTHING gets done until the following season, when the cycle starts up again.

The planning for controlling mosquitoes, the planning for controlling out-of-control parties must happen during the OFF-SEASON, in a concerted, deliberate manner, by a designated, determined task force and not just at the time of Crisis. In the age of the internet, keeping people informed and involved is easier than ever - even in February.
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Barbara Ann Levy You are welcome.
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Barbara Ann Levy Exactly Thomas.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay After the white lesbians had a fist fight on the ferry a few Sundays ago, there was a call to ban em from the ferry. I couldn't believe it. Just not right!
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Barbara Ann Levy and that decrepit house on Lewis for years on end. Why is that still standing?
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Thomas Simmons Hey, if someone wants to give me that decrepit house, I promise to make it the cutest damned bungalow in Cherry Grove in one season. . . .
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Barbara Ann Levy Look the truth is Cherry Grove has a problem. It is part of the National Seashore, sort of, part of Brookhaven, sort of, and is not an entity of its own. It has no rights at all to do anything at all. If the community wants to get serious it needs to create an entity like a town.
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Barbara Ann Levy and a community Bill of Rights and hire a police force etc etc and so on.
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Joe Ray Did I say every member does that? 
No, I did not. I'm fully aware that there are some great people that participate in the event. It also brings a very negative element with it. The point is the event is too large and not contained.
Lloyd, there is a difference between partying in one's home or dropping a pill while dancing and smoking crack on the boards in the middle of town.
Another load of crap.
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Barbara Ann Levy If everyone is so upset why does the town allow so much drug abuse. With drugs you get gangs and with gangs you get violence and serious crime.
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Barbara Ann Levy There is no difference between popping a pill in your bathroom or on the boards. It is an illegal action. Illegal=crime.
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Barbara Ann Levy Crime invites people you don't want in your neighborhood like crack lookouts. OK?!
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Barbara Ann Levy With an entity you call the shots, eliminate crime and get a real community, not a summer one.
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Barbara Ann Levy I believe the real issue is a hidden one. Enuf said.
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Susie Tmay I have not read this whole discussion as it get longer by the minute. As a home owner, I am glad I was not around that weekend...
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Joe Ray This is not an issue of race. It is about hoards of people descending on town and behaving in appropriately. I happen to have friends that come out for this event. I have also met many men and women that participate who are also mortified and want nothing to do with the negativity I speak of, along with African Americans that would never dream of coming out that weekend, who resent the ghettoization of the whole thing. There here any weekend but.
I am not being irrational at all, just stating truths. 
For the record, I also loath Miss Fire Island weekend and would be fine if that came to an end.
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Barbara Ann Levy Ok so again you need CG to become a town.
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Susie Tmay will voice my opinion after catching up with the discussion but one question Was anyone arrested for the assault at the pizza shop ?? if it was at ocean beach the whole bunch would of been locked up
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Barbara Ann Levy The structure has to change.
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Barbara Ann Levy Exactly Susie and Ocean Beach is an entity.
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Susie Tmay yes its an incorporated village .THE LAND OF NO I hope we don't end up like that
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Barbara Ann Levy Well in order to have order in a place it has to hace a structure and cannot be a town in the summer and a ghost town in the winter. That just doesn't work. It doesn't have to be the land of No but something that works for the community.
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Barbara Ann Levy Why are you offended Rob? It's the drugs and nothing else that have kept CG a mess.
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Joe Ray Barbara, so is smoking weed in one's own home. Would you like house police? Sodomy police?
Regardless if its illegal, there is a difference between that and blatant public use and display.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay What nobody dates to point out is the racist overtones of this thread, intended or realized or not. I have no problem raising this! It's not directed at anyone in particular but it's here.
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Barbara Ann Levy Look I am not the land of no but am a licensed therapist who has worked with alcoholics and addicts and had a business in the grove and repeatedly had people so high in my gallery it was scary. One woman tried to ride a sculpture and I witnessed a friend deteriorate over time from heroin. I don't care what you do with pot. That should be legalized and most likely will be but I am talking about the history of Cherry Grove on the mainland as a place where whatever you do it's ok which it is not.
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Joe Centrone Jr. I assure you.. Drugs are NOT what kept CG a mess.... don't even get me started on that subject....
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Barbara Ann Levy hahhaha and not funny Joe.
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Joe Ray Thank you Joe C.
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Joe Ray There is absolutely no racist overtone nor undertone in my statements. I would feel exactly the same if it were a white special interest group.
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Joe Ray Barbara, I understand your coming from the point of view of a therapist who has worked with addicts. The issue being discussed here though is not what people choose to do in their own homes.
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Sybil Bruncheon Over at our place on Duryea, we've had problems every season with white (and apparently STRAIGHT!) people coming up into our yards and decks and either peeing, defecating, or having sex within a few feet of the house, sometimes during the daylight hours! As to the FIBO weekend, its promoters should be made aware of the growing concern of Cherry Grove residents and any actions like a petition being started so that they can make some decisions about how they run their event. Their FIBO site has several pages, one of which is devoted to "rules of conduct and behavior". The promoters should walk the beach and the town after FIBO with a committee of Cherry Grove business people and home owners to review each year's event: a "post mortem" of sorts that addresses all the issues, good and bad, right on the spot.
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Barbara Ann Levy I'm not making it that discussion Joe. Not at all.
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Barbara Ann Levy We are all free to do whatever we like in our own homes.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay I wasn't singling anyone out Joe but calls to stop this event and NOT others equally as disruptive are questionable.
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Joe Ray You were referring to illegal behavior.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I am the one who started this thread. I have not mentioned race at all up till this point thats the first time I have writen that word. I had house guest attending the even and they were appalled . This is not about race as far as I'm concerned . This is about members of our community being assulted by people attending this over crowded event. I have always been happy to see FIBO in Cherry Grove , But not anymore. And one last thing ...... Nobody here had better insinuate that I am being racist . I take great offense to that . I will say no more on it. I will not dignify such ugly coments.
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Joe Centrone Jr. has nothing to do with race at all
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Barbara Ann Levy Look I think there are two pieces of all of this that need looked at. The violent act toward someone's friend and that is awful. The crowd is the second piece of it. Violence in the Grove is nothing at all new. It happens whether it is crowded or empty. Crowds induce anxiety and acting out.
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Joe Ray Lloyd, the only other event that is disruptive was Miss Fire Island, which I've been appalled by for decades. What is questionable about that?
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Joe Ray Thera also has not been a discussion about any other event in this format. Perhaps after Miss Fire Island there will be, if we're not all exhausted and burnt out by this one
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Gaston Alonso Thank you Lloyd for saying what needed to be said, the coded-language, the Birth of a Nation imagery, the unwillingness to judge similar behavior by others by the same standards, the unwillingness to work to insure that all such events can work properly, the call to outright ban this fund-raising event, the notion of a majority white town petitioning against an event by and benefiting people of color... Yes, the undertones are obvious to all willing to critically examine what is being said and not said. Instead of a community coming together to insure that are all welcome and able to enjoy the town by insuring enough services and security, we have a call to ban a certain group. Enough said!
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Ken Braun There have been a number if 'claims ' in this thread.....ie...people claiming to have seen or heard various occasions of people behaving badly. I will state facts instead. FIBO and the ice palace rented the Porto potties at the community associations request. FIBO hires locals to clean the beach...if you 'claim ' to see a filthy beach....well maybe they didn't do as good a job....I however did not personally see the garbage people are referring to. No arrests were made in the grove pizza incident ...and I haven't talked to Michael ..
But he posted a picture on his Facebook page showing that he did not lose any teeth. Please don't compare drug use in Cherry grove with that of the pines....as Lloyd referenced by this years pines party GHB issue. If someone was fighting outside your house at 430 in the morning ....the last ferries of fibo attendees had already left...lets not make assumptions. If dialogue is what the community seeks...well then open a dialogue with FIBO directly...they have made it easy to do so because they want their event to be as successful as possible and treat our community with respect. Please provide them with facts...not heresay or opinions. If you were not happy with the police presence ...then I guess that is a community association issue.
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Kathleen O'Donnell I know I am not a resident, but I really feel that if there had been more security, better crowd control, and police patrolling the boardwalks (not just the main intersection), and frequent garbage pickup throughout the weekend, the event would not have all of these issues. Maybe the FIBO organizers would be willing to take these added measures to keep the event going.
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Joe Ray Gaston, that is a gross generalization about a community that just can't seem to get its act together when it comes time to organizing events and issues. 
This event on particular is simply getting too big for a town of 250 houses.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I have spoken with Michael Fact : He lost a tooth
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Emma McGrattan The Grove has many "issues" but racial prejudice is certainly not one of them!
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Joe Ray Do you hear that Ken?
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Fact : There was a fight on Suf walk at around 1am
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Fact : There were several fights and scuffles on the beach during the day ( WITNESSED )
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Joe Ray Hear that?
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Fact : Garbage and human waste all over the place ( WITNESSED )
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay So ban every event that has a fight or make em ALL work! Done.
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Joe Ray Lloyd, now you're talking. Make them all work.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. FACT : The Community of Cherry Grove was disrespected on this day.
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Joe Ray A reminder to all: THE MORNING PARTY IN THE GROVE AND PINES WAS SHUT DOWN DUE TO SUCH BEHAVIOR!!!!

RACISM STRIKES AGAIN, HUH?
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Joe, that's the point being made by a few (Gaston and I included) all along. To ban this event only, and not others is not correct!
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I would lik to see it moved to another location , why not Smiths point or Robert Moses state park . These areas are better equipped to hold a crowd of this size. Besides everything te group needs is at these locations. I never wanted to ruin anyones good time. ESPECIALLY our good time.
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Joe Ray I know I wouldn't lose any sleep if Miss Fire Island were finished. However, the Ice Palace and some drag queens might......
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Peter Verzoni correction Ken Braun there was no GHB issue at this years Pines Party the article referenced was from 2007
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Ken Braun Oh good ...
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Logan Slaughter GANGS?!?!?!?? Good god
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Logan Slaughter I cannot even handle that statement. I've seen many things in cherry grove...Things I haven't seen...Mexican gangs
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Logan Slaughter You're kidding they don't pull out maracas and shimmy down the boardwalks while smoking meth??
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Susie Tmay Robert. Moses had a gay area and part was a mixed crowd. Just saying.
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Logan Slaughter Or teachers don't you watch breaking bad?
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Logan Slaughter Not any old gang Mexican gangs....
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Sybil Bruncheon Personally, I found Robert Moses himself to be a criminal.... Jane Jacobs and I use to lunch at "21" and plot how to blow up his limo....
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Ken Osman Lets face the facts..Cherry Grove Home Ownership is the most LILY WHITE I've ever come across. As the Community Association President chimes in on every other topic here, where is that voice NOW??
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Logan Slaughter JUST HEARD MARACAS BY DUNE POINTE MUST BE MEXICAN GANGS
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Mike Fisher I just saw some sombreros running down Lewis walk
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Gaston Alonso Fact: I talked with Michael yesterday and he even showed me his tooth. It was cracked not lost- thankfully. We can argue over what we all think happened or we can try to find ways to make sure all are welcomed in our town by insuring proper services and safety. Or we can try to ban people... I hope we don't take the latter route.
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Logan Slaughter That was martha
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Mike Fisher Thought so
Was she strung out on meth?
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Logan Slaughter This makes me want chips and salsa
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Mike Fisher Guacamole
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Logan Slaughter From huffington post to Long Island press what's next the violet letter?
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Mike Fisher And an inflatable pool filled with BBQ sauce and a live pig
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John Langan Logan Slaughter, LOL
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Sybil Bruncheon ...a nice man just rang our bell and offered to teach Flamenco dancing to groups of 8 or more every Tuesday and Thursday afternoon, "pairs will be given a 10% discount"!! Anybody interested??... I can push the deck furniture to the sides!! (He WAS sniffing though through his whole sales pitch!... and grinding his teeth! I just thought he was trying to be sexy...)....
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Peter Verzoni There is a time when a post goes south, this one has
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Joe Centrone Jr. AMEN Peter !!!
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Logan Slaughter South like Mexico
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Mike Fisher Corn anyone
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Sue Cialini-King south like to mexico?
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Ken Osman Its obviously not a beach/pool day in Cherry Grove. GET OUT OF THE HOUSES people:)
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Barbara Ann Levy How's that?
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Sybil Bruncheon I think it's great that as a community, we can discuss really serious issues, exchange ideas and even complaints, make decisions as to what each of us wants to do either separately or together, and even chuckle as neighbors too! We can agree to disagree, work on problems that we care about, and still be companions in a special place.
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Barbara Ann Levy It went down the rabbit hole.
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Logan Slaughter Clearly Sybil is smoking meth
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Mike Fisher With Martha
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Sybil Bruncheon I am free-basing in a sombrero and a coconut brassiere! Let's get my drug-problem straight here, ok???...and Martha said she was busy! 
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Barbara Ann Levy Serves eyebrow
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Ken Osman Well fact of the matter is, this event will continue to be the same and bring the same people to Cherry Grove year after year unless the permits are denied and the event is not allowed to take place. I personally beleive that to be the only solution.
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Barbara Ann Levy That is all from me. Have a peaceful day today.
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Flaming Adam I can't....
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Seems like we've now transitioned from town council to clown council! LOL
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Logan Slaughter yay!!
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay so much more entertaining!!
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Joe Ray I do believe my head ache is going away......
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I plan to do anything I can do to see that this event does not take place again in Cherry Grove. I may be successful , I may not , only time will tell.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Thanks for turning this thread into a joke. Its not a joke , it wasn't a joke when SOMEONE else got punched in the face....Remember ????
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Donald Steeple NO MORE BLOCK PERMIT. THEY USED GREENE WALK AS A LEW &BEDROOM. NO MORE.
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Gregory Mcmullen And Vito. I will be there to argue the other side. Let me know when. In this entire string I have not gotten any clear facts on what happened. Just opinion and reaction. I try to collect the facts before I react. And I know for a fact that every year there are problems the second weekend in September. The running joke on the island is that that is the one weekend each year you stay inside and lock your doors. (I usually go to Montauk.) I do remember that many years ago someone was knifed at Cherry's after Miss Fire Island. That weekend is still happening. Instead of stopping FIBO why not try to make it better?!
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay I live on Greene. It was fine. 

Nobody gets the point do they? Or they don't want to see or admit it! Barring a group because of their color is not only retrograde, immoral and probably illegal, it's not fair. Apply this discussion and concept of permit revocation to all rowdy groups! Geez, is that a hard concept to grasp or is the island stuck in the 50s still? I have yet to see the rumored things people have mentioned too (feces on boardwalks for example...except dog shit). Like Greg, I crave facts and a principled discussion and actions.
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Gregory Mcmullen Cherry Grove should be all about inclusion. We may need to compromise a bit. That's the way inclusion works. Instead I see us going the other way very quickly. Money. Money. Money. Me. Me. Me. CG is and had been historically a very special place. It is, bit by bit, becoming like everywhere else and those of us that love it need to struggle to keep it that way.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Word
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Ken Osman Lets call a Spade a Spade here and stop pussy footing around with the political correctness. Its the GHETTO TRASH that come with the good black people to this event that cause all this trouble. Plain and simple. They dont spend any money here. They leave the garbage and trash behind. They do the same thing in their own Ghetto neighborhoods. Do you expect anyhthing less here. The Good people of FIBO are embarassed by their actions too...These people come by the hundreds and TAG along to the event. They do not care about the LILY WHITE GAY TOWN of CHERRY GROVE. One must have respect for one's self and community before you can have it for anything else. So much for inclusion Gregory..and Lioyd....
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Ken Osman OH...and thats it from me on this subject...so fire away
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Gregory Mcmullen Gotta give it up for Ken. He came out and said it. I may not agree but I give him props for clarity.
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Gaston Alonso Yes. Lloyd and Greg - word. I repeat the notion that a majority white town would consider a petition to bad a Black group that benefits Black community organizations - and all of it based on rumors and untruths - is offensive and wrong. This is not Alabama 1963.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay I believe in giving people a chance and in treating people like they CAN do better. Inclusion is still important, or should I say that the lower class LGTB, "ghetto", in our community be barred also!
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Vito LaSorella Jr. There will be some real trouble between myself and anyone that accuses me of being a racist. I just want the event moved to a more approprite location. For me it was NEVER EVER about race , its about a crowd that is just too large and thats it. Read the original post .
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I've only stated Facts not half truths or rumors. Some of the thing I spoke of I saw with my own eyes.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Did anyone accuse you of that? The thread has many voices!! And it's a racist diatribe.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay It's one thing I won't stand for or stand idly by and watch, and I know my position is right (don't need any validation)!!
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Gaston Alonso Is that a threat? I thought all voices were invited to comment on a community page. No personal attacks have been made by anyone on this thread until now. We are trying to find a way to address a community issue in a way that is proactive and inclusive.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Not from me. I'm concerned that my friend was attacked and so was Frank. I would love to know what they have to say about this. And I'm sure we will hear from them on the subject soon enough . I think that they will have the most valid opinion .
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Talked to them. Frank quashed racist talk from his staff. Michael was understandably upset but not overly so. I think they're used to it. Something similar happens every big event. Not right still but it's so.
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Gaston Alonso You misrepresented the nature of the injury to our friend. We all want a community were all people feel safe. There are ways of doing so without banning any one particular group. Enough said. I do not dislodge with people who issue threats.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I don't make threats , I make promises. I will not be accused of being a racist. and as long as thats the case I'm fine with what anybody wants to contribute . Just don't say that the real agenda is hidden , it's not being hidden by me. Perhaps others have tried to hyjack the thread with there racist ideas , not me.
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Mike Fisher if anyone remembers this event started WAY BACK with a bus or buses that used to leave Paradise Garage and come to Cherry Grove for the day. The buses were multiracial and all gay and lesbian. It was an amazing day, the Ice Palace had the greatest dance party and everyone enjoyed themselves. Now it has become an event that the community cannot accommodate. It is a money maker for FIBO and unless I am wrong they make a small donation if any donation to the community. They tried to move it to the Pines and the permit was no approved. We do not have the facilities or the man power for such large events. The way to prevent this event as stated before is to become a member of the CGCAI, attend the meetings, sign a petition and be at the hearing for the permit in Brookhaven. Be part of the solution not just voice your opinion on facebook.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Gaston I've misrepresented NOTHING . I spoke with Michael this morning for about an hour. He told me he lost a tooth , chipped or knocked out , the poor kid still got beat up by a 6 foot thug.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. I don't really want to Ban anyone , but the reality is that Cherry Grove just can't handle this size crowd.
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Mike Fisher JOIN CGCAI AND START A PETITION.....
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Matthew George While the fibo attendees may only visit our community once a year, they are all part of our wider LGBT community and should be treated as such. Has a serious effort been made to work with the leaders of the event to make it more successful for both our CG community and the attendees? If our community cannot successfully host the event, no other community will be able to. I think we owe it to our wider community to see what we can do to make it work.
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Matthew George Clearly there are issues to be addressed, but I was out and about the entire weekend and saw a lot of people having good and safe fun. And I met some really nice people. If there is something to be saved, then we should see what we can do!
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Michael McPherson Well said Matthew, well said .....

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Gregory Mcmullen Thank you Matthew.
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Barb Morrison Mike Fisher can we join CGCAI if we're only renters and not home owners ?
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Joe Ray And Greg, I will be there with Vito. Say when Greg, say when.
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Joe Ray And Ken Osman, I disagree with you on MANY things, at times I wanna rip your head off, but you got it right, plain and simple. Thank you
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Jack Quinn Barb Morrison I would think yes you could join as a renter because CGCAI is the Community Association. CGPOA by definition is the CG Property Owners Association
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Joe Ray Lloyd, who said anything about banning a group because of their color? I haven't heard one word about skin color except from you two guys. I am the first to point out the racist fueled complaints about our President .
THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING.
This is about an event far too large that is not policed or controlled by Suffolk County the way any parade, basketball game, concert, etc would be policed.
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Joe Ray Tons of people jumping the turnstiles in Sayville, that's why EVERYBODY has to pay before leaving the island. If I or anybody else tried to pull that shit we'd get hell for it, possibly be banned from the boats and maybe arrested.
GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!
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Joe Ray I hate Miss Fire Island. Would love that to go away, but even that shot doesn't happen for that, the Pines Party or ANY OTHER EVENT!!!!!
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Joe Ray Yes, there are many fine, classy people that participate in the weekend, I'm sure they wouldn't mind a sense of stronger order.
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Joe Ray This whole thread has gotten ridiculously out of control with idealist opinions that simply ignore the issues.
I've had enough of the bullshit.
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Charity Charles Okay Joe...just don't hate the oldest Miss FI.
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Joe Ray Never my love........
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Joe Ray ......Charity.......
I don't hate Miss Fire Island, I do not like the riff riff that comes over and turns it into a petting zoo. At least they don't jump the turnstiles
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Ken Osman And thats the BIG difference in these two events. Lawlessness and thuggery with a fuck you mixed in
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Thomas Simmons "riff raff...thuggery....ghetto trash." Tell me again there isn' a racist element to the opposition. Uh-huh.
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Ken Osman Again lets call a Spade a Spade Thomas...The crowds at Miss Fire Island do not leave trash all over the beach. They do not urinate and defecate in front of peoples homes. They do not jump the gate at the ferry terminal by groups of ten or more and laugh at the employees. Many of those come with a gand mentallity. They have NO respect for the law ANYWHERE. They are not the core people who come to FIBO..They are plain and simple the GHETTO trash..see it how you'd like but it is what it is. You can't white wash it.
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Thomas Simmons Are you being taunting, or do you think you're clever, by starting a comment on racial sensitivities with capitalized "Spades" and ending it with "white washing?"
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Daniel Alita Gusty Winds Joe. Why in particular do you hate Miss Fire Island? As a two time title holder of the contest I can honestly say it is one of the best times of the year ? Is it because of the influx of straight people? Well that happens every weekend. I am curious as to why you don't like it.
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Ken Osman Sorry Thomas...White Washing
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Thomas Simmons That wasn't the point.
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Joe Ray To many of those people it's a freak show and a petting zoo. I just stay away.
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Joe Ray Since when is "riff raff" racist?!?!
I've been called that several times in my life.......must be because I'm black.......
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Thomas Simmons The entire context of all of those phrases together is code language for "people not like us."
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Joe Ray Gusty, I love it for the drag queens participating, I don't like that over the years it has become less about the gay community, and lets face it, almost completely straight. As with black out, there are some great loving people that attend, there are also those who don't like fags and are here for a laugh.
I don't mean to take away anybody's thunder. Miss Fire Island will always be here. It's a tradition. Like I said, I just stay away, pity, I would love to be able to enjoy it.
Peace and Love Baby. XXX
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Joe Ray Thomas, no it is not. If "people not like us" means people with no regard or respect for a community, the people who live there, or a general code for living, then you got me.
Unfortunately for you, you don't .
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Ken Osman IDK Thomas are they like us? Do you leave your garbage on the beach? Do you jump the gate and not pay at the ferry terminal? Do you piss or shit in peoples gate way? Do you stand in town and refer to people in a racist way? Loudly making commenst about whites or blacks? THEY ARE NOT LIKE US..
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Ken Osman Well siad Joe..but I can see that Thomas will never see it for waht it really is...
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Thomas Simmons "What it is" is exactly what prompted the misguided, racially motivated "Stop and Frisk" practices in NYC....a belief that "My Values and MY Behavior" (which are conservative, middle-class suburban white cultural behaviors) are NORMATIVE and BETTER, and everyone else is "riff raff," "ghetto," and "lawless." And for the record, renting on Bayview Walk several doors down from Cherries, I can tell you that people piss on the walks and gates EVERY NIGHT when the bars close. When people need to pee, they pee...myself included.
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Jon Spiegel this is really not a race issue. if other crowds were of the same size and temperament as the fibo crowd, I believe the reaction would be the same. we are a welcoming community, and we don't want more government oversight, but last weekend's crowd pushed the limits of what we should tolerate. Further, the event seems to be more of a drain than a benefit to the local economy.
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Daniel Alita Gusty Winds The straight people haven't infiltrated. The gays don't come I get it, I wouldn't either if I've been watching them for free all summer. If like to point out that the first time any of us came to fire island it was as a visitor. It wasn't as a homeowner or resident. Cherry Grove exists because of the people who live here as well as those who visit. Without our "day trippers" out business ' would cease to exist and you would be stuck with going to the beach and your home.oh an better hit stop and shop on your way cause there wouldn't be a store. The hint of racism in some of these posts makes me ashamed. The words like exclusivity make me want to vomit. The comment about checking bags was repulsive. Lets check bags in the grove and the pines on any given weekend and I assure you you won't like the results. Any event regardless of who is attending , can get unruly when it gets too big. I worked at Cherry's this weekend on Saturday and we were packed (yes it does bring in income ). And the people could not have been lovelier. When you expect bad behavior that's all you see. Crack smoking in front of sandcastle ? Walk 500 paces to a cop and tell them. FIBO is well aware of the garbage incident I know personally that they paid a copuple thousand dollars to have the beach picked up. Do I think the event has become too big. Yes. Do I think any group of this size would have the same issues. Yes.
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Ken Osman Please Don't try and bait me into or turn this topic into Stop and Frisk Thomas. Im off now to BUY my ferry ticket and head over to the Lily White Homeownership known as Cherry Grove. Out/End
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Joe Ray Ok, I agree with you Gusty on many points. Well said.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay I'll wear a dress next time I want to make the same points. (No disrespect intended, Gusty...love you!)
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Daniel Alita Gusty Winds I have several in your size
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Why do you wear the same ones over and over then? Bianca wants to know!!
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay LOL - funny!
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Daniel Alita Gusty Winds Girls on a budget. A good outfit impresses for 30 seconds. Amazing talent lasts forever
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Joe Ray It's very sad that this "conversation" has been reduced to a few over opinionated self righteous individuals pointing the racism finger at some of us talking about an event that is not controlled and too large for the community. Anybody that feels they've been physically threatened needs to get help (and a life).
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay It's very sad that this "conversation" has been reduced to a few over opinionated self righteous individuals fingering one large uncontrolled event and not others just like it, only because it's popular with African American people.
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Joe Ray That's your take on it Lloyd. How dare you assume you know what's fueling my opinions here. I've made my feelings very clear and you sit back and have the nerve to imply I'm racist. You don't know me Lloyd, so let's drop the arrogance and stop acting like you know it all.
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Gaston Alonso We can, as a community, work to find ways to insure that everyone is welcomed in CG and that enough security and services are provided to insure that all large events go well or we can argue with each other and try to ban one particular event. I hope we can do the former and not the latter. I still think it is not a good idea for a majority white community to start a petition to ban an event that benefits community groups serving the Black LGBT community. Whatever the intentions behind it (and they are as varied as there are people), it will not send a good message about the Grove. Surely, we can find ways to insure that large events - of all kinds - are welcomed and properly organized in our beach town.
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Joe Ray You know nothing of my life experience, what I do in my personal life, nor how I interact with people of all types.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay I didn't call you racist. I simply find the call to ban one out of control event and not others just like it deplorable. I don't understand why it's that hard to see. Gusty said it and you agreed. Now, you don't. I'm confused. I'm the first to admit I don't know it all!! You don't know me either, and probably never will. I'm happy to be on the right side of the debate and be seen as "arrogant". No problem with that at all. CG should be about inclusion, not exclusion.
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Joe Ray Yes, Gaston, myself and several others have said the same thing, yet finger pointed racist charges are taking place.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Nobody called you racist, Joe, so don't understand why you think the finger is being pointed at you.
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Joe Ray Lloyd, I'm not arguing with that, I agree. You are one of those making assuming something else. Read the thread Lloyd
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay if anyone was called names here, it was me - over opinionated self righteous arrogant...done, truly done with this post.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay unfollow
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Take away the word BLACK and replace it with STRAIGHT , and the same folks who are calling racism suddenly change their tune. I've seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears.
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Joe Ray How quickly we claim poor innocence. You did infer that I was racist, just look at your posts.
So long sweetie.....
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Thomas Simmons Vito, I will respectfully disagree. If someone objected to a straight event (or having many children around) and used the epithet, "breeders," I would be the first to call them out on their hate. I saw nothing racist in your original post - I saw an emotional concern for a friend who ended up assaulted. That's legit. But when others jump in with code language that we who grew up in white suburbia understand only too well - I'm going to call *bullshit* on that too. I think some of your supporters do your cause damage...meanwhile, Gaston's post above makes a HELLUVA lot of sense for addressing issues on a larger scale that applies across the board.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay no Vito...no support here for any large event that is uncontolled whether it be the black one, the lesbian dodge ball one or the straight drag-queen watching one!
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Joe Ray Some events call for more control than others. But what would a racist pig like me know?!?!?!?
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Lloyd , I'm not sure I understand that last one , do you support an out of control event or not ? FIBO is out of control . I'll say it again. I don't want the event Banned just moved.
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay did i say i support an uncontrolled event? i think my command of the english language is pretty decent. it doesn't read that way!!
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Joe Ray This thread has turned to an ugly mob mentality. We are all losing out cool, misquoting, misreading and misunderstanding.
I suggest we either cease immediately or kill the person that started this..,...LOL
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Vito LaSorella Jr. @ Thomas : I want to thank you for your last post. As the originator of this thread I began to feel that some were saying that I had a hidden agenda and implied that I was a racist. I am most certainly not. This caused a misunderstanding between some people and myself which has since been rectified . It's all good.
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Joe Ray Let's get Vito!!!!
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Bring it on Bitches !!!!!
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Remember that line from Mommie Dearest ? " DON"T FUCK WITH ME FELLAS , This ain't my first time at the Rodeo !
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Joe Ray For the record, I did not grow up in white suburbia.
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Neither did I
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Joe Ray Growing up my friends were all black and puerto rican
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Matthew George Assuming there is some truth in what everyone is trying to say (buried beneath a lot of hyperbole and exciting reading), and assuming there are as many motives here as there are voices, wouldn't the wisest first step be an attempt to work with the organizers? If that has already been done, fine, but that hasn't yet been detailed. Maybe the ultimate result would be an end to the event, but just jumping to that end, for whatever reason, is premature.
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Ken Osman I wonder Matthew if these same people or anyone like them came to your Mid Town apt building and urinated and defecated outside your apartment door, screaming and drunk late into the night or with an intimidating attitude, calling you hey white girl...What would you do?
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Matthew George It actually happens more than you know. There is a phone booth right outside that people like to use for all sorts of reasons. I call the police.
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Matthew George This seems to be a different situation though. Maybe the organizers need to arrange for more security.
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Matthew George Maybe the 4am boat needs to be discussed. I don't know. I think different options need to be fleshed out with the organizers.
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Ken Osman You miss the point full on. These problems are not caused by any of the good people of FIBO. They come out for a good decent time. They use the stores and restaurants. They rent rooms and respect the community. They pay money to the event organizers. The people who cause these problems are those who come from every where knowing its FIBO weekend just to tag along. The event organizers nor their security have no control or policing rights of these people or any others. Only the SCPD can police this type of crowd and they have yet to commit the amount of police officers patrolling the beaches and walks to prevent what happens. Ten police officers standing on the ferry dock does nothing except offer a presence of nothing
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Matthew George No I appreciate your point Ken I haven't missed it at all. How do we know that the "problem" is not affiliated with Fibo attendees? Is this the response of the organizers? If that is the case, wouldn't a reduction in late night/ early transportation back to Long Island be something to strongly consider? I've been on the island for 6 FIBO weekends in 6 years, and I go out. I've heard the horror stories and I know they happen, but if its happening en mass I would have seen it with my own eyes and I haven't. Nothing has ever happened in front of my house either that doesn't happen on other weekends of the summer. I'M NOT SAYING that it doesn't happen, I'm just saying there may be a way to curb the activity to more acceptable levels.
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Joe Ray So Thomas, tell me more oh wise one from law school.
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Matthew George Have the organizers washed their hands of the problem?
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Joe Ray Really this riff-raff, pardon the racial slur, would like to hear more.
Do tell......
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Daniel Alita Gusty Winds It's really about crowd control. These attendees eat in the restaurants , shop in the stores and stay at the hotels. FIBO organizers want as many people as possible. I do not think they are a non profit. why can't the business owners get together and say hey we love having you here but we love our island too, our island is over capacity and with that comes more chances of something going awry. Why don't you go into your profit and hire a security team? Miss fire island is huge yet the incidents are few, because they have security up the ying yang.
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Joe Ray Brava Gusty!!!!
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Vito LaSorella Jr. Thank you for making the point Gusty . It's ALL about crowd control , that's it. Nothing more. And it has been made crystal clear that a segment of this crowd is OUT OF CONTROL.
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Chris Murphy Perhaps the event could be held in the area between The Grove and The Pines, that way the crowed would be disbursed between both towns..they would be able to use bathrooms ect in both towns and take the ferry to and from either community.
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Matthew George When I mentioned the possibility of the organizers arranging for more security (crowd control), Ken implied that this has been tried or that it could not work. Has it been tried? Has anyone confronted the organization with all of these issues an asked them to provide more security?
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Ken Osman They have security in place at the event on the BEACH..After that its not their event..It then becomes the problem of the SCPD...Private security cannot control peoples behavior on public board walsk.
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Matthew George Why can't event security monitor the boardwalks?
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Matthew George The beach is public and so are the board walks. I don't know, I'm just asking.
August 15 at 7:37pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Matthew George Or maybe the fibo organization can reimburse the cherry grove businesses for increased security.
August 15 at 7:38pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Ken Osman They can only provide security for theie permitted event area. FIBO attendees pay to be part of the evnt. Again its the tag alongs that cause the majority of the problems. Legally private security has no control or authority on a public walkway to tell you what you can and cannot do. Only a Police Officer can do that
August 15 at 7:39pm · Like
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Ken Osman OH Yea..thats gonna happen
August 15 at 7:39pm · Like
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Matthew George Has anyone tried? Has anyone who has experienced these problems first hand addressed the event organizers with these issues? What was the response?
August 15 at 7:42pm via mobile · Like
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Matthew George Has anyone asked the fibo organizers to increase security at the businesses? Before we resort to shutting something down, shouldn't we explore other reasonable options?
August 15 at 7:44pm via mobile · Like
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Matthew George Ken how have the fibo organizers responded to your complaints?
August 15 at 7:45pm via mobile · Like
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Thomas Simmons Only reasonable people explore reasonable options, Matthew. When your real agenda is hidden under otherwise legitimate concerns, solving the legitimate concerns is not high on your to do list...in fact, solving the actual problems makes it harder to pursue your hidden agenda. Its a case of *wanting* to throw out the baby with the bathwater....you just can't openly say you'd like to toss the baby, so every effort to change the bathwater is met with objection or scoffing.
August 15 at 7:48pm · Like · 2
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Ken Osman LOL...
August 15 at 8:02pm · Like · 1
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Joe Ray Who is this ass?
August 15 at 8:45pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Ken Osman Joe, I don't block many people. Especially beacuse I dont like their viewpoint or politics. But sometimes an asshole is just an asshole. No matter what he was going to be an argumentive asshole. Blocked Done. Goodbye Thomas.
August 15 at 8:47pm · Like · 1
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Matthew George I'm here at Cherry Grove Pizza (it was yummy) and Michael Davenport is in fact waiting to find out about his tooth. But I think they probably probably would be wise to hire security here at the Pizza place on their own for a busy weekend. Regardless of the weekend. Even Reggie had security.
August 15 at 8:50pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Ken Osman Actually a shame that local businesses would have to hire private security at great expense for ANY group or event that comes to this town..Speaks volumes to what its about. But also sad that the SCPD does not have a large police presence for this unlawful activity crowd
August 15 at 8:53pm · Like · 1
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Joe Ray Well done Ken!
August 15 at 8:55pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Matthew George The palace unfortunately always has security and Mac throws people out every weekend. It is a shame.
August 15 at 9:04pm via mobile · Like
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Matthew George I suggest that everyone with concerns - I'm going to do it - start by addressing your concerns to the FIBO organization and then share your response from FIBO.
August 15 at 9:21pm via mobile · Like
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Diane Romano I sent an email to James, the organizer, and told him that we really thought the group was too big and that we would like to limit the size of groups visiting our small town. He was not negative , said he would work on it and get back to us...best to try to work this out before engaginfpg Beookhaven....which is not always helpful....sometimes is..just not always....
August 15 at 9:55pm · Like · 4
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Joe Ray Ahh, Diane, a ray of sunshine in this snake pit called Facebook. 
Thank you.
August 15 at 10:10pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Mike Fisher if they do not get a permit they cannot have the event plain and simple
August 15 at 11:44pm · Like · 2
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Barbara Ann Levy OMG this is still going on!
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Lloyd Equality DesBrisay Uh huh
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Daniel Alita Gusty Winds Anytime someone comments it refreshes in the newsfeed
August 16 at 1:26am via mobile · Like
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